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Net Major Clauson and Sir M. Nathan See. Should we not alter then": lations as the Admiralty wish & sent them out". Otherwise a mu: set will be sent to

CPA

16. April

Six M. Hattian bitter sce

Please see. approval (o think I had 614/23 some one at the Admiralty & find out exactly what wording they would prefer.c as it is not orchar Clausin

Do you RU 2014. think the modifications I have suggested to the draft regulations in pencil would meet Admiraly approval? They would give some power to the Harbour master to raise objections on special circumstances of time made it undesirable that Foreign war ships should go to the waters they might wish to occupy. Juli (copy Register No.

Sir M. Nathan

1. In para 5 of their letter of 2/2/03 Minute Sheet No. 0 43634/03 15 the Adm. asked that paras 3 & 4 should be removed. I do not think polite wording would render these restrictions more palatable, as the position is, I take it, that they do not wish to have any restrictions over the movements of foreign warships in our waters (however worded) which might serve as a precedent to others.

2. It would be better to avoid addressing directly Regulations in their regulations di

2. I do not see any defence advantage in preventing foreign warships lying in Mirs Bay, Tytam Bay so long as they do not land men. It is better to have them lying there to know they are there, than to find them steaming in there from the blue at dawn. If however there is any objection to foreign warships lying in part of the inner harbour, or where see, there would be plenty of pretexts, navigational, quarantine fishery, for shifting them, without special regulations.

&Nick shor

3. Should not Hongkong adopt the regulation against landing foreign soldiers or sailors recommended in part 3 (with) of CD.C. 186.M? Apart from relieving the Governor of the onus of taking the initiative at a period of strained relations, it could be used to prevent foreign sailors roaming over the shore of Mirs Bay and inlets nearer the defended harbour

4. I would support a regulation: (1) as in preceding paragraph and (2) as in para 2 of proposed regulation in 7139/04. I would hope the searchlight regulation; although it is mentioned in 186 M para?. lukewarmly, Conson hase to bunor for 12-13 I have never done much use in it. We should not stop ships showing lights, and they could not see our defences better at one time than they can by day.

Tor. Lucas HWV 75,000 6--01

I accept the idea. CAL!! 10/5/044

[P.T. Over 180

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M-Stables Net Major Clauson and Sir M. Nathan See. Should we not alter then": lations as the Admiralty wish & sent them out". Otherwise a mu: set will be sent to CPA 16. April Six M. Hattian bitter sce Please see. approval (o think I had 614/23 some one at the Admiralty & find out exactly what wording they would prefer.c as it is not orchar Clausin Do you RU 2014. think the modifications I have suggested to the draft regulations in pencil would meet Admiraly approval? They would give some power to the Harbour master to raise objections on special circumstances of time made it undesirable that Foreign war ships should go to the waters they might wish to occupy. Juli (copy Register No. Sir M. Nathan 1. In para 5 of their letter of 2/2/03 Minute Sheet No. 0 43634/03 15 the Adm. asked that paras 3 & 4 should be removed. I do not think polite wording would render these restrictions more palatable, as the position is, I take it, that they do not wish to have any restrictions over the movements of foreign warships in our waters (however worded) which might serve as a precedent to others. 2. It would be better to avoid addressing directly Regulations in their regulations di 2. I do not see any defence advantage in preventing foreign warships lying in Mirs Bay, Tytam Bay so long as they do not land men. It is better to have them lying there to know they are there, than to find them steaming in there from the blue at dawn. If however there is any objection to foreign warships lying in part of the inner harbour, or where see, there would be plenty of pretexts, navigational, quarantine fishery, for shifting them, without special regulations. &Nick shor 3. Should not Hongkong adopt the regulation against landing foreign soldiers or sailors recommended in part 3 (with) of CD.C. 186.M? Apart from relieving the Governor of the onus of taking the initiative at a period of strained relations, it could be used to prevent foreign sailors roaming over the shore of Mirs Bay and inlets nearer the defended harbour 4. I would support a regulation: (1) as in preceding paragraph and (2) as in para 2 of proposed regulation in 7139/04. I would hope the searchlight regulation; although it is mentioned in 186 M para?. lukewarmly, Conson hase to bunor for 12-13 I have never done much use in it. We should not stop ships showing lights, and they could not see our defences better at one time than they can by day. Tor. Lucas HWV 75,000 6--01 I accept the idea. CAL!! 10/5/044 [P.T. Over 180
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M-Stables Net Major Clauson and Sir M. Nathan See. Should we not alter then": lations as the Admiralty hish & sent them out". Othawire a mu: set will be sent to CPA 16. April Six M. Hattian bitter sce Please see. approval (o think I had 614/23 some one at the Admiralty & find out exactly what wording they world prefer.c as it is not orchar Clausin Do you RU 2014. think the modifications I have sufaced the draft regulations in pencil wouldt met lidmiraly would give News. They would some power to tu Harbour mover to raise objections of special circumstances of time made it undesirable that Foreign wer shipso should go to the waters they might with boccupy. Juli (copy Register No. Sir M. Nathan 1. In para 5 of their letter of 2/2/03 Miuute Sheet No. 0 43634/03 15 the Adm. asked that paras 3 & 4 should be removed. I do not think polite wording would render these restriction, more palatable, as ter position is, I take it, that they do not wish to have any restrictions over the movements of foreign warships in our waters (however worded) which might serve as a precedent to other. Rations in x. It would be better to avoid addreverd direelly Agulations. in their regulations di 2. I do not are any defence advantage in warship to It is better to have preventing foreign ships lying in Mers Bay, Tytam Bay so long as they do not land men. there to know they them lying Steaming are there, than to find them in there from the blue at dawn. If however there o any objection to foreign warships bying part of the inner harbour, or where see, there would be plenty of pretexts, ravijational, quarantine fishery, for shifting them, without special regulations. &Nick shor 3. Should not Hongkong adopt the repolation against landing foreign soldiers or sailors recommended in part 3 (with) of CD.C. 186.M? Apart from relieving the Governor of the onus of taking of taking the initiative at a period of strained relations, it could be used to prevent foreign sailors roaming over the shore of Mirs Bay and inleto nearer the defended 4. I would suppret a harbour K regulation: (1) in preceding paragraph and (2) as in para 2 of proposed regulation in 7139/04. I would hop the searchlight regulation; although it is mentioned in 186 M para?. bukewarmly, Conson hase to bunor for 12-13 I have never dan much wee in it. We should the ships woning lights, and they could not are our defences better at one than they cand by day. Tor. Lucas HWV 75,000 6--01 I accept the ice? CAL!! 10/5/044 [P.T. Over 180
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M-Stables

Net Major Clauson and Sir M. Nathan See. Should we not alter

then": lations as the Admiralty hish & sent them out". Othawire a mu: set will be sent to

CPA

16. April

Six M. Hattian

bitter sce

Please see.

approval

(o think I had

614/23

some one at the Admiralty &

find out exactly what wording they

world prefer.c

as it is not orchar

Clausin

Do you

RU

2014.

think the

modifications I have sufaced

the draft regulations

in pencil wouldt met lidmiraly

would give

News. They would

some power to tu Harbour

mover to raise objections of special circumstances of time made it undesirable

that Foreign

wer shipso should

go to the waters they might with boccupy. Juli

(copy

Register No.

Sir M. Nathan

1. In para 5 of their letter of 2/2/03

Miuute Sheet No.

0 43634/03

15

the Adm. asked that paras 3 & 4 should be removed. I do not think polite wording would render these restriction, more palatable, as ter position is, I take it, that they do not wish to have any restrictions over the movements of foreign warships in our waters (however worded) which might serve as a precedent to other.

Rations in

x. It would be better to avoid

addreverd direelly Agulations.

in their regulations di 2. I do not are any defence advantage

in

warship to

It is better to have

preventing foreign ships lying in Mers Bay, Tytam Bay

so long as they do not land men. there to know they

them lying Steaming

are there, than to find them

in there from the blue at dawn. If however there o any objection to foreign warships bying part of the inner harbour, or

where see, there would be plenty of pretexts, ravijational, quarantine

fishery, for shifting them, without special regulations.

&Nick shor

3.

Should not Hongkong adopt the repolation against landing foreign soldiers or sailors recommended in part 3 (with) of CD.C. 186.M? Apart from relieving the Governor of

the onus of taking

of taking the initiative at a period of strained relations, it could be used to prevent foreign sailors roaming

over the shore of Mirs

Bay and inleto nearer the defended

4. I would

suppret a

harbour

K

regulation: (1)

in

preceding paragraph and (2) as in para 2 of proposed regulation in 7139/04. I would hop the searchlight regulation; although it is mentioned in 186 M para?. bukewarmly,

Conson

hase to bunor for

12-13

I have never dan much wee

in it. We should

the ships woning lights, and they could not are our defences better at one than they cand by day.

Tor. Lucas

HWV 75,000 6--01

I accept the ice? CAL!!

10/5/044

[P.T. Over

180

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